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Did Charlie Brown ever get to kick the football?
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Dom
2005-09-25 12:22:51 UTC
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I was wondering after viewing today's strip:

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Jr.
2005-09-26 02:20:18 UTC
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In one of his last interviews Charles Schulz said he would not allow himself
to draw a strip in which Charlie Brown would kick the football. It would
change the mystique of CB being CB.
The thing we love about CB is that he never does get to kick the ball but
optimistically he never gives up trying no matter how many times Lucy pulls
it out from under him.
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John A. Merullo
2005-09-26 13:10:21 UTC
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Post by Jr.
In one of his last interviews Charles Schulz said he would not allow himself
to draw a strip in which Charlie Brown would kick the football. It would
change the mystique of CB being CB.
The thing we love about CB is that he never does get to kick the ball but
optimistically he never gives up trying no matter how many times Lucy pulls
it out from under him.
That being said, in Schulz's final football strip in 1999, Lucy asked
Rerun to hold the ball while she went in for lunch (you'd figure they'd
eat lunch at the same time). When Rerun came in from lunch, his sister
asked if he'd pulled the ball away or if CB had kicked it and Rerun
replied "You'll never know!"

Also in 1979, when CB had been in the hospital, Lucy did not pull the
ball away, but CB kicked her hand.
Covenant
2005-09-26 18:34:57 UTC
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Post by John A. Merullo
That being said, in Schulz's final football strip in 1999, Lucy asked
Rerun to hold the ball while she went in for lunch (you'd figure they'd
eat lunch at the same time). When Rerun came in from lunch, his sister
asked if he'd pulled the ball away or if CB had kicked it and Rerun
replied "You'll never know!"
Also in 1979, when CB had been in the hospital, Lucy did not pull the
ball away, but CB kicked her hand.
I always wondered about that one...

If he kicked her hand, wouldn;t he also have kicked the ball??

;' )

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Jr.
2005-09-26 19:00:04 UTC
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The only time I knew CB to kick anything was after CS died and they did some
"tribute" cartoons. One of them had CB kicking Lucy through the goal posts.
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Post by John A. Merullo
That being said, in Schulz's final football strip in 1999, Lucy asked
Rerun to hold the ball while she went in for lunch (you'd figure they'd
eat lunch at the same time). When Rerun came in from lunch, his sister
asked if he'd pulled the ball away or if CB had kicked it and Rerun
replied "You'll never know!"
Also in 1979, when CB had been in the hospital, Lucy did not pull the
ball away, but CB kicked her hand.
I always wondered about that one...
If he kicked her hand, wouldn;t he also have kicked the ball??
;' )
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Dom
2005-09-26 22:16:08 UTC
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Post by John A. Merullo
Post by Jr.
In one of his last interviews Charles Schulz said he would not allow himself
to draw a strip in which Charlie Brown would kick the football. It would
change the mystique of CB being CB.
The thing we love about CB is that he never does get to kick the ball but
optimistically he never gives up trying no matter how many times Lucy pulls
it out from under him.
That being said, in Schulz's final football strip in 1999, Lucy asked
Rerun to hold the ball while she went in for lunch (you'd figure they'd
eat lunch at the same time). When Rerun came in from lunch, his sister
asked if he'd pulled the ball away or if CB had kicked it and Rerun
replied "You'll never know!"
Also in 1979, when CB had been in the hospital, Lucy did not pull the
ball away, but CB kicked her hand.
I didn't think so, thanks for the replies.
Julian McCarthy
2005-09-27 20:51:56 UTC
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Hmmm, this continues to bother me and I don't know why so I'll throw it open
for discussion, comment, ridicule, whatever.......CB, etc. 'living' or not

Firstly, the perception that CB never kicked the football. Admittedly he was
continually frustrated by Lucy but doesn't this solely mean that he never
kicked the football when Lucy was holding it. (Aren't there also early
strips where he can be seen punting and kicking the ball or have I dreamt
this?)

So here's the thing, do other people view the characters as 'living' when we
do not have a window to their world (via the boxes) or do they only exist in
that one instance that we read the strip and then go into some form of
suspended animation?I recall some theory in quantum theory about a cat in a
box not being there until you looked (or some such explanation). The 'lives'
of the Peanuts crew seem to follow a similar thread to the theory.

If they do 'live' when we are not there then CB would obviously have kicked
the ball many, many times (shermy or schroeder holding,) and the fact that
we haven't seen it shouldn't be a cause for constant concern. The fact that
we haven't seen it, doesn't mean it NEVER has happened. True, it may never
have happened with Lucy but to consider that CB has never kicked the
football seems extreme.

Extend this thought, do people believe that CB never ever struck anyone out
at baseball and was always hit by a line drive or hit fly only for Lucy to
miss EVERY time he pitched? Surely there must have been occasions where he
got a strike or where Schroeder threw someone out at first or second
base...we have just never seen it!

I don't understand the angst that not having a strip where we see 'thud' and
he and Lucy looking to the distance, is causing people. What would the
punchline have been?

Enough....hopefully you can see why it is bothering me.

J
Post by Jr.
Post by John A. Merullo
Post by Jr.
In one of his last interviews Charles Schulz said he would not allow
himself
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Post by Jr.
to draw a strip in which Charlie Brown would kick the football. It would
change the mystique of CB being CB.
The thing we love about CB is that he never does get to kick the ball
but
Post by John A. Merullo
Post by Jr.
optimistically he never gives up trying no matter how many times Lucy
pulls
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it out from under him.
That being said, in Schulz's final football strip in 1999, Lucy asked
Rerun to hold the ball while she went in for lunch (you'd figure they'd
eat lunch at the same time). When Rerun came in from lunch, his sister
asked if he'd pulled the ball away or if CB had kicked it and Rerun
replied "You'll never know!"
Also in 1979, when CB had been in the hospital, Lucy did not pull the
ball away, but CB kicked her hand.
I didn't think so, thanks for the replies.
Covenant
2005-09-27 23:56:19 UTC
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Post by Julian McCarthy
Extend this thought, do people believe that CB never ever struck anyone out
at baseball and was always hit by a line drive or hit fly only for Lucy to
miss EVERY time he pitched? Surely there must have been occasions where he
got a strike or where Schroeder threw someone out at first or second
base...we have just never seen it!
The only time I ever wondered about *this* was after constantly hearing they
never win a game, to find at one point that if they *win* this particular
game then they win some championship or something...

How do you do that after winning ONE game !!?? ;' ))


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Tim Chow
2005-09-28 00:21:27 UTC
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(Aren't there also early strips where he can be seen
punting and kicking the ball or have I dreamt this?)
Yes. Charlie Brown *did* get to kick the football on occasions other
than the annual Lucy strip. For example, there's the strip in which
Shermy holds the football for him, and he kicks it, but is dissatisfied
with his attempt. Shermy consoles him, saying that most college
players are bigger than they are, and we see them standing under
full-sized field goal posts that dwarf the kids.
How do you do that after winning ONE game !!?? ;' ))
Indeed. There were other occasions on which they did win some games,
e.g., when Charlie Brown wasn't pitching, or when Peppermint Patty and
Jose Peterson joined them.

Maybe this should be in the FAQ.

Tim Chow tchow-at-alum-dot-mit-dot-edu
Jr.
2005-09-28 15:00:57 UTC
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I still go back to the Schulz interview where he says Lucy will never allow
CB to kick the ball.
CB indeed has kicked the football with others holding it or punting it by
himself but never with Lucy holding it.

As far as when they are away from the strip - if it isn't in the little box
it never happened.
Andrew Bull
2005-10-02 17:07:21 UTC
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Post by Tim Chow
Post by Covenant
How do you do that after winning ONE game !!?? ;' ))
Indeed. There were other occasions on which they did win some games,
e.g., when Charlie Brown wasn't pitching, or when Peppermint Patty and
Jose Peterson joined them.
Actually, when Peppermint Patty was pitching, she "hit five home runs and
pitched a no-hit game, and we're behind thirty-seven to five!"
Post by Tim Chow
Maybe this should be in the FAQ.
It's section 4.17.
t***@lsa.umich.edu
2005-10-03 23:39:25 UTC
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Post by Andrew Bull
Post by Tim Chow
Indeed. There were other occasions on which they did win some games,
e.g., when Charlie Brown wasn't pitching, or when Peppermint Patty and
Jose Peterson joined them.
Actually, when Peppermint Patty was pitching, she "hit five home runs and
pitched a no-hit game, and we're behind thirty-seven to five!"
Right...though that was when she was by herself. But now that I think about
it, even when Jose Peterson was around, maybe there was no conclusive
evidence that they won a game.
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Post by Tim Chow
Maybe this should be in the FAQ.
It's section 4.17.
Oops...forgot about that! Though actually when I made the above remark,
I was thinking of the original question about kicking the football.
The times that C.B. *did* kick the football could maybe be an addendum
to the section about the football gags.
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the center of the earth. ---Galileo, Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences
h***@yahoo.com
2005-10-02 04:26:00 UTC
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I have no problem with Lucy always frustrating CB's attempts (outside
of the one where he kicks her hand instead of the football). In this
case I assume continuity between kicks, with other attempts tried out
during the year, always with the same results (CB flying, then going
splat as the football gets swiped before him).

As for the baseball, I assume selective memory. After all, Lucy getting
whacked in the head is funnier than Lucy throwing a perfect line to get
the runner out at home, n'est ce pas?
CK
2005-09-30 10:24:05 UTC
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I watched cartoon network - or something like that - yesterday where CB did
get to kick the football - but onlys as an invisible CB. For more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Magic,_Charlie_Brown
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